Okay, so this has been bothering me for quite a long time.

Some admins seem more concerned about spawn killing and offensive language (1 or 2 words) than actually catching and banning cheaters.

About cheaters and demos:
If you are just there to complain about spawnkilling and foul language, you're clearly not in the right place.
I feel that cheaters and demos should be priority.

I honestly don't know how many demos have been left unseen, and I'm not even going to start guessing, cos I bet it's tons.

The reason why I'm using www.2shared.com to upload files is because then I can see how many times the demo has been downloaded. I've uploaded a couple of demos today. One of a wallhacker or radar user, this went unnoticed by the admin on the server.. no action taken until the cheater had crossed the line of spawn killing. Only then they got kicked. The other one was of an aimbotter, which was banned in-game because I asked an admin to ban the cheater. Jonny later on wrote in the topic that the cheater had been banned.

Honestly, focus more on going through the demos and ban cheaters from your server. I hate to see a good game or K/D ratio ruined just because an admin cannot take the action they are supposed to. Sometimes you just have to give up playing and catch the cheater to please every other player on the server. The cheater is there to cause harm, that is why they should be banned asap whenever they are caught.

So, back to the demos.
I feel that if you spot a cheater in-game, you start recording and then you ban the cheater. Then you upload the demo to the forums saying that the player has been banned for that and that cheat. Not too hard, right? The demo is the only legit proof of cheating. Why so? Because, this way a player cannot be banned just because an admin doesn't like them.

What happens next?
I also feel that a demo should be reviewed as soon as possible. Once the demo has been reviewed and an action has been taken. Tell the public what kind of action you have taken against the cheater. Post whatever details are necessary and then LOCK the topic. In case the cheater wants to appeal, they can use the appeal a ban forum.


About offensive language:
I, myself, have nothing against some offensive language now and then unless it is clearly directed at someone particular.

I also dislike racialist comments towards another player.

These two are something that really warrant a slap or warning and eventually a ban. But honestly, one or two offensive words, in to the air, every now and then to release some anger. There is nothing wrong with that!


About Spawn killing:
Yes, I don't like spawn killing myself, but I don't have anything against it either.
When you are getting spawn killed you actually have to start thinking and play strategically to find a way out of it and actually kill the spawn killer.

This contributes to you becoming a better player. You learn how to play strategically. You learn how to take control over your gun.. so that the gun doesn't take control over you.

I rarely complain about getting spawn killed if it happens once or twice. It it happens more often, I just curse and start to figure out where the opponent is hiding.

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So in conclusion, try to review the demos more often and tell the public what is going on with the cheaters and the actions taken against them. Allow more foul language, unless it's clearly directed at a specific player or racism against a specific player or group or just generally.

Don't be too strict, cos it will eventually make you unwanted on the servers.
The most common thing that happens whenever someone sees an admin that has been too strict is that they think "oh, there's that strict admin again.." and then they leave.


My two cents.

we have a banning system... click "Ban List" at the top of the page, whena cheater is caught they are posted there... as for the cussing.. you have opened my eyes and im editing that rule to be .. you can cuss as long as it is not directly at somebody.. and as for demos.. megaupload was chosen because they have a tool in which you can place an upload button on ur website which is much easier...

Well mazfer, you have wrapped up many things and they are indeed meaningful. I have no issues with you indirectly targeting me in few lines either.

As far as spawn killing is concerned, I obviously slap players when I spot them doing it. But then, there is a threshold for slaps and warns. Few players just don't understand even after multiple warns and slaps. They just want to keep spawnkilling. There is one guy who struggles a lot to get to enemy base and spawn kill. From my observation, he ignores other enemies who are not in spawn while on his way to their base. That is because he doesnt want to distract him and get killed in the middle. There are such nut cases which you might have not observed.

And when old players and or reputed clan members spawn kill, I show no mercy. I slap once, twice and later I kick for repeated spawn kills. I had even banned one evo guy for the same reason.

Nevertheless, thanks for time to give some valuable suggestions and helping me find hacker(s) while I was playing.

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Some admins seem more concerned about spawn killing and offensive language (1 or 2 words) than actually catching and banning cheaters.

I'm concerned on catching cheaters, LoL

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"we have a banning system... click "Ban List" at the top of the page, whena cheater is caught they are posted there.."

Jonny,

What happen to the other demos that 'normal' players post on the forums?
When are they reviewed and when are the cheaters caught banned, if necessary?

Without an ip address, we cannot ban people that "normal" players post... so instead we look out for them and ban them if they are spotted.

You are using rcon, right?

I thought it was possible to check when a player has been online. Take the IP address and IP ban the player even when they are offline.

Yes, but it involves downloading the entire log and then opening it (takes about an hour) for it to then crash because it is so big after 1 year of logs all dumped into 1 text file.. lol

yikes.. :/

How can I find out the IP-Adress of the hacker?? (never did that before)

you have to be server admin to do that

to contribute to mazfers first comment:

i also think the no-spawnkilling-rule and the restrictions seem unnecessary, thats nothing an admin should worry about, eventually the spawnkiller gets killed anyways
somehow it is ironic that the server/the clan is called drunk noobs, but one of the most "noobish" things actually is spawnkilling, think about it

Oooh ok :..

One thing for sure,my game has improved because of spawnkill..my reaction and aiming are much better because of it. I myself don't do it so often, almost never..(maybe as payback,lol) even if it's allowed in other servers..Remember that those players who systematically do spawnkill as their game play,they will not improve their skill..but you will!!

And i've noticed that the most of these spawnkillers are newbies,and if not! I say,bring them on..less running for me.

Only my opinion.

i agree whit spawnkilling if its with a knife
i think knife spawnkilling should be allowed

Well blloodlust If u think, allow spawnkill with a knife lol then I would also say allow spawnkilling with a knife
The spawnkiller has no chance if there are many players on server so why shouldn't it be allowed to spawnkill with the knife lol

no knives or weapons should not be allowed

Hehe, earlier today i was at LCDLC eagle..there were three spwankillers in our spawn for 10 like minutes,then they left..think they got tired of me...and spawn is part of game if you ask me..as it is in the real world. Not that UrT is a guideline for how the world should function..it's the other way around!

Let them come with the heavy artillery,knives are for ladies

lol id spawnkilling would be allowed with guns it would be really nasty for respawners because they dont have any chance if they werent using aimbot
And if the respawners will be killed by a person with the knife it would be easier
to kill the spawnkiller because he cant hide anywhere
But with guns u can hide and come out shoot agin hide come out ........
BOOOOORING
And nasty for the respawner

No chance without hack? wtf,you accusing me? it may take one or two deaths.. before you get the upper hand,no time for when you play or are under severe attack.

Yeah but its nasty to respawn and die....
Respawn and die
? Thats not funny ?

There are other games too you know,such as quiet game of poker, or a stroll in the park maybe..that might be funny.

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