if you did delete his forum account then you should gtfo.

If you really cannot co-operate with this fellow, but just make the worst of it. Then yeah..You get the point.

Get over the accusation. I saw the demo and yes, it's wh, but what the hell do I care. I'm better than most wallhackers, and that includes you.

It's the past, let it be and try to find a way to co-operate with the admins and clan members. If you cant then I guess you know what to do.

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I still do the job 100 times better than you.

I know the difference between wh and one who knows the map like their own hand. You should see me on Algiers..

I've seen you play and I just have to ask myself the same question each time I see it. Why would anyone play scoped with a g36 if they weren't cheating?

Oh and you just made this personal. Good luck trying to break my cool with my moderation experience.

I never saw you triying to save this server, i never saw you on UAA forums triying to defending our head admin or the server. I never saw you doing anything actually.

You never did anything for this clan. So, don't come here to tell me that you are better than me or anyone else because you are not. And i'm not talking about the game.

Sigh.

Why do you think I requested to be a server admin in the first place unless it wasn't for the server? When started playing on the server it was full of cheaters and no one even cared to do anything about it. Now I rarely see cheaters on it, those who do cheat get banned within minutes.

I pushed Jonny to figure out how to access the server logs to make the banning system more efficient.

Oh and for the record. I am on the UAA forums, and I do defend players who are innocent. I have saved tons of players falsely banned, just by reviewing the demos thoroughly.. I have access to 8 different ban lists that I compare IP's to each time I see someone that is suspicious on the DN server. Among these ban lists are 2 powerbans and the UAA one. This gives me an idea of if the person has been banned elsewhere...

So don't come and tell me that I do NOT care about this clan, cos I do.

Oh yes off course! You are really great dude. you did all the job. Let's forget about all other admins, you are the only one who made this server "cheaters free".

You are really kidding me.

I was here almost from the beginning, i don't even have an idea about who are you. You came here when? A couple of months ago? But i only can say that if you talk to a Clan leader like that, you have no right to be here.

You have no idea who is a good admin or not, or who is a cheater. The only one who did something for this clan was Death Angel and Jonny. Even my accions are nothing compared with all the work made for them.

ElPerro,

STOP and LISTEN to yourself!

You're talking nonsense.
Maybe you should start listening to what you're actually saying cos this is going nowhere.

I'm not saying that I did all the work. I didn't even say it was me who got it going. I do respect the work other players have done to this clan and its server. I'm saying that Jonny listened to my advice and he took it, so should you. Listen to what I say.

I honestly do not care about ranks and such. I'm not talking to the rank, I'm talking to the person behind it. I might only be 22 years old but I still have enough experience in this kind of stuff.

And if you call me a noob admin, cos I don't give a crap about foul language or spawnkilling. That is because I frankly don't care. I warn players when they do it, no slap just a big text saying NO SPAWNKILLING!. That often does the trick. If it doesn't then I teach players how to avoid getting spawnkilled..or then I just kill the spawnkillers a few times and it's there...

Why make this server like a kindergarten when you get insulted and swore at irl?

I really think you should know how to proceed from here, and it's not a "penis measuring contest" it's the value of your actions.. Honestly, i think you fail, sorry Perro.

I only say one thing if hechais to ELperro for me the best manager and leader of the clan.

@ Mazfer can not say the best because you do not mind the rules of the clan.
in time which bears the admin think I ever gave a slap or kick anyone.
only prohibit hacker


@ Mazfer but the dog is right in what he said has not done anything for the clan.

Elperro want you to stay.

@ Mafer the Elperro has done more for this clan that you and me.

if he had not donated Elperro, the clan probably would not exist.

forgive my bad English


Elperro quedate

rofl elperro : DDDD How old u where now, 34?Cant be. You are such a drama queen.
I voted for yes even though my vote probably doesnt really matter but u just piss me off with this attitude of yours.

@ Kiko,

I respect the rules. I'm just saying that I don't take foul language and spawnkilling as serious as cheating. Catching cheaters and banning them has always been my highest priority no matter what the rules say.

To me it seems like "let's let cheaters run lose while focusing on spawnkillers and people who use bad language". If spawnkillers stop and play nicely when I tell them to. Is that not enough or do I have to start slapping people just cos the rules say so? NO!

The human mind work that way, if something is forbidden it's fun to do it. Once it's allowed one cannot bother to do it anymore.

I've also noticed that what I do with spawnkillers is more efficient than two slaps and a kick.

And what you say that I haven't done anything for this clan... that is *not* true.
Most work goes behind the scenes and through Jonny as suggestions to improvement. Why bother taking it through the forums when I have direct contact with the clan leader, who decides what's best for the clan?

Oh and money isn't everything either...

I did not say he has done more than you.

I'm just saying he has done more for the clan that most of us.

@mazfer if I have offended at some point I'm sorry

I disagree with most of your decisions excluding kiko's. I would rather Elperro stay. now i have spent quite some time reading and re-reading this post and the replies. All i have to say is that Yes i know Mazfer doesn't enforce some of the rules thats because he just cares for banning hackers and to him thats the standard. For other admins foul language and spawn killing IS a very important part of inforcing the rules on the DN server. Now Perro has done quite a lot for this clan himself he has donated more than any other person here, and lets face it mazfer one of your post did sound like you indicated that "you do all the work around here and all other admins are lazy" But i'm sure that was not your intention. Now Brejnless perro is not a drama queen, just get that straight. If something he could be a good example. Now send me a link via PM about that spoused WH of mine, please there was two accusations both false one was me as a player one was an impostor(thanks Mazfer for finding that out). As for co-operation im sure all can co operate with him. Perro has known for a while that he has been here but has said nothing although a certain someone said that he had left. by now i am pretty sure we all know who we are talking about. (santa!) just kidding its viking and although he has banned me twice already for the same reason and those times were a lie i can still get along with him. In my personal opinion a clan should be a place for fun. Sure he made some mistakes. But think back i'm sure we all have done mistakes like that, no matter how much better you are now. We still have a heck lot more to learn. Now Mazfer you said that if he can't co-operate with a person he should leave. just by saying that you show you cant co-operate with him. I guess what im trying to say here is that a clan should be a place where people can just relax from their long days frown upon those who try to ruin our days by hacking and cheating. All of you that read this should know that my vote is a -1 for perro leaving no matter what all of you think. I think he should stay so let us leave this post as a big NO! perro wont leave! and end the disscutions here! all that has happened in the past is exactly that the past! so get over it. and lets start new as one united clan and as a clan that has many friends! who would never backstab. Listen to me i want this clan to stay united and all those involving this post as well. Let my post be the last one to end this. -1 perro don't leave!

Now Lets go to DN and kill some avatars!

"lets face it mazfer one of your post did sound like you indicated that "you do all the work around here and all other admins are lazy"But i'm sure that was not your intention. "

You're absolutely right, it wasn't my intention.


"Now Mazfer you said that if he can't co-operate with a person he should leave. just by saying that you show you cant co-operate with him. "

I can co-operate with Perro. I've had no hard times doing so until now.
Which I'd rather take up with him than here on the public forums. But just to get one thing straight.. I'm not a person who sits around and patiently waits to get that candy bar. Whenever I think something needs to be said.. I speak my mind. And I dont like being fu,cked with either.

Forget the money guys.

This server was about to disappear a lot of times.
Jonny was about to close it a lot of times because the UAA acusations about him and i tried to stop him all those times. As you can see, clan stills here.

Remember those 2 or 3 days without the server? Gameservers closed the account and i was calling them and sending a lot of emails to get our server back. Even Jonny gave up when Gamservers didn't give him answer. Again, clan stills here...

I don't care if Viking comes back to this server, i don't even care if you acuse me of walling, aimbooting or whatever you did. I'm pissed off because my friends never told me anything about he's back and Viking was hidding from some of us.

I was the only one who didn't know that he was on the server again. There's no need to hide. I'm pissed off because Jonny, my friend didn't tell me.

You carry all the reasons.

they must have told you

Mazfer i know you speak your mind and i respect that and i admit i was wrong in saying you don't co-operate with elperro you are right you co-operate with everyone but lets just END THIS HERE! all of us just drop it. Theres no point in carrying this on. Finish this now. perro stays.!

Ok, I know where this is actually going. And I thought of not responding here. But I think the time has come. I'll rather sum up the things in points so that it will be easy to read and also argue.

1. I wasn't hiding. I quit the clan "myself" upon being betrayed by elperro after I caught him wall hacking with a demo. I told jonny to delete my account so that I can vanish without a trace and I did tell him that I will be playing on server with the name "scubadiver". The demo was made to be reviewed by many pros and was confirmed wall hack. And 21 freakin votes at UAA doesn't lie. I don't care much about it now, really.

2. I did reveal my identity to many of them that scubadiver == viking. It is not anyone's fault if elperro doesn't know that it was actually me. Indeed, he is not active on server, how can he know about that?

3. Old enemy?! lol - I never ever did categorize you to my list of enemies. I rarely make enemies. It is odd that you think I am your old enemy.

4. I did have plans to return to the clan, I returned as |DN|scubadiver. But I was playing under random names. So it was pretty hard to figure out who I was except few admins who knew my IP address. Also, I did identify "in-game" that I am viking to other while using random names.

5. As far as returning as admin to this server is concerned, I was not actually keen in making such a return. But after many offers I got from jonny to return, I just couldn't deny anymore. So I made a return as "viking".

6. I strongly deny about the allegations that mazfer is not taking care of the clan. You and many others have no idea about how much analysis he does in IRC with me. If he had no affinity to the clan, why the f.ck would he compare IPs of suspects with the public ban lists of other servers and clans before making decisions to ban or not. This IS the sole reason why |KW|david's fake was nailed down. He busted a guid spoofer for the first time. It is just that he fckin doesnt care about spawn killers and foul mouths.

7. Yes, forget about the donations. Even I myself have made twice and I just dont think it is anything big to clan. All it matters is how one works for a clan to keep the ship buoyant. Also, just by helping the clan and server to stay alive doesn't mean that one can start cheating and have fun. It is like masturbating.

8. Even I don't bother if you stay here as clan leader or whatsoever. I don't want anyone to step down from any position. It is all left to them. When someone at higher position makes a mistake and still doesn't want to rectify it, they are just being shameless.

9. And the reason I quit from that clan is not just that I was betrayed by elperro, but also I wanted a fresh start. I wanted to play as normal player. And as a result, I just excelled myself in so called "water-camping". It is just other tactics, I implemented. And not to forget that I wasn't been betrayed anywhere else before like the way elperro did to me. He was literally ruthless. Showed me a noob and said that he is trying to wall hacking. And instructed me to keep watching for spawn killers.

10. Had it been me in place of elperro, I would've quit. This is much of monopoly that he degrades admins and players without any consent and weird reasons. He banned me in morning and gave a hilarious reasn of me being impersonating and false accusing him as wall hack. -- Two things to notice. a) When did I impersonate? I never did. b) I did accuse you as wall hack with a proper demo and handed over to jonny before making it public.

-

Wow...I betrayed you.

Well, i can see that you want my place here as second leader. Now you got it.
Don't fu.ck up my old clan and take care of my first and only server.

Thread closed and thanks a lot David, all my KW and off course, Kiko.

Thank you Jonny...it was fun.

Good bye everyone.

NO you are not LEAVING DN!

el perro... Bro sabes todo el aprecio que te tengo, sos un compañero de faenas en el juego me gustaria que no te fueras ya que eres un muy buen elemento para tu clan, la verdad entiendo que te sientes traicionado pues has entregado tu lealtad a DN, son un equipo y eso es lo que les debe importar los errores se cometen a diario pero esta en todos seguir unidos para estar en la batalla y continuar =D

the dog ... Bro you know all the appreciation I have for you, you're a fellow workers in the game that I would like you to go because you are a very good item to your clan, really understand that you feel betrayed because you have given your allegiance to DN are a team and that's what they should care mistakes are made everyday, but this all go together to be in the battle and go = D

Of course, we all want to take ur place.

boo!

is no longer leader?

If the vote is at your side

can someone explain to me why it is no longer leader?


people want to Elperro as leader of the clan.

there is this vote.

for me the demo was not WH

then u shouldn't be an admin, rofl.

@down

See? Thats my point.

Why?

I do not understand